Comments on: What Matt Walsh Gets Wrong–And Right–About Robin Williams’ Suicide https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/ Revels in the Craft of Storytelling Tue, 25 Nov 2014 02:28:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.3 By: L Roy https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4246 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:00:29 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4246 Apparently he tried to slit his wrists first, but was unsuccessful. He could’ve stopped there. Maybe THAT was his warning, his final chance. ]]> By: Daniel McInerny https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4173 Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:37:05 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4173 Dear Katherine, I will be praying to Our Father of Mercies for the repose of your son and for you and your entire family. ]]> By: maura https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4164 Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:44:25 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4164 It is so nice to hear the voice of a Catholic psychologist. Working with the mentally ill today and not having the faith is a real dead end street….I am glad you are out there!

My heart aches for Robin Williams and the pain that he must have been in, in order to make such a drastic decision and follow it through. If only he knew of the love of Christ and the mercy of God……. perhaps he could have reasoned another way out. But sadly his pain overwhelmed him, and we cannot judge , since we have not been in his skin nor had his problems, nor had his illness.

The fact that he gave so many people the gift of laughter is what makes the thought of his being in so much pain all the more surreal.

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By: Katherine https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4163 Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:36:06 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4163 I am no expert on depression but I can relate this: My beloved son suffered from depression (probably bi-polar) for half of his life. Although under the care of a professional and trying yet again another medication he took his life at age 34. I later learned that he had confided to a friend earlier that week that he was hearing voices telling him to harm himself. I can only pray that at the end Jesus took my son into His merciful arms to rest in peace. I refuse to judge. I continue to hope and pray that I may see him again. ]]> By: Catholic pilgrim https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4154 Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:32:06 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4154 You’re right on Durkheim’s monumental “Suicide” study, but I’ll add another bit to it. Yes Catholics used to have lower suicide rates than Protestants primarily because of fear of hell, but also because European Catholics focused more on community living (feast days, rest, neighborhood, poor, etc.) while Protestants were more dangerously Individualistics (hence “Protestant Ethic”) & placed a higher value on wealth-making than on community-bonding. Today, in France & elsewhere in Europe, Catholics & Protestants are unfortunately pretty much indistinguishable when it comes to social conditions like suicide rates or isolation. ]]> By: Daniel McInerny https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4153 Sat, 16 Aug 2014 14:30:32 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4153 I very much appreciate your sharing your expertise with us. Thank you! ]]> By: a catholic psychologist https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4148 Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:41:48 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4148 No one can know with certainty the state of mind of another person. This is a psychological as well as a philosophical truth that affects all understanding of subjective knowledge. Thus, we cannot know if suicide is simply an act of cowardice, malice, confusion or a bad decision; indeed, suicide may entail cowardice in one person, malice in another, and confusion in yet another. I have treated persons where these descriptors could have included ‘all of the above’, but I would not be certain if any were ultimately operative. If selfishness is operative in suicide, this seems to be a byproduct of suicide and is not a motive, as such, unless it was counted as a part of cowardice. The idea of selfishness arises from the perspective of the next of kin, since, in many many cases, the relatives are often at a complete loss of purpose or meaning, and extreme guilt is often found in the surviving relatives and friends. “Did I drive him to do it?” The successful suicide has difficulty taking these consequences into account during his contemplation. In the final analysis, the problem of ultimate and specific culpability is intractable.

However, the general motive of suicide is more accessible. The underlying theme in most suicide would seem to be the overwhelming desire to escape pain—a fact that was artfully observed by St Augustine. And yet, Major Depressive Disorder is often accompanied by psychotic symptoms which would indicate that the person in psychosis is literally out of his mind. My experience is that most people contemplate suicide for some time, in and out of the psychosis, and that, whatever is happening in the mind of the person at the moment of death, which i venture is the moment of culpability, there is a ‘rational’ calculus that precedes the event. Indeed, very rational and moral people can have a desire from time to time to leave this world, but do not presume to pick the manner or the moment of their exit. The reasons are many, but one that stands out it theological.

Statistical evidence suggests that one’s religious belief has a profound effect on the likelihood of moving beyond contemplation and actually committing suicide, psychiatric symptoms and brain chemistry not withstanding. Durkhiem many years ago observed that Catholics were least likely to kill themselves—Catholics now kill themselves at rates similar to the general population. 100 years ago, fear of hell was the compelling factor in the Catholic decision calculus—this fear was based on the belief that God gives life, and only He can take it away; those who short-circuit this ontology court eternal disaster. Hence, despite the despair and psychosis, the fear of hell closed off certain avenues of escape for most Catholics back then. Victor Frankl suggested another predictor, which was the purpose of life. People can suffer a lot if they know that there is a purpose in others beyond the suffering, and a desire not to spread one’s suffering to others. Of course, the devout Christian also understands that all suffering is redemptive; no suffering is without meaning, and all personal suffering can be endured in the mystery of Christ’s crucifixion. As these core beliefs are diluted in the secular city, suicide has become more common.

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By: Daniel McInerny https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4144 Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:17:01 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4144 Thanks, Austin. Your analysis of the moral gravity of a suicide with serious mitigating factors is very probably right. Still, as I wondered about in my post, there “might” be cases–and I’m not the person to say there are or not–where the mitigating circumstances take away from all subjective culpability. I’d love to hear an expert on depression discuss this. ]]> By: Daniel McInerny https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4143 Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:12:51 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4143 Dear Bill, thanks so much for providing more of the context of these relevant paragraphs from the Catechism. Suicide is, objectively, a gravely evil act. But I myself am not prepared to make blanket judgments about the subjective selfishness of “most of those” who commit suicide. Isn’t it better to let God decide that? ]]> By: Daniel McInerny https://thecomicmuse.com/art-and-culture/what-matt-walsh-gets-wrong-and-right-about-robin-williams-suicide/#comment-4142 Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:09:15 +0000 https://thecomicmuse.com/?p=2261#comment-4142 Thanks so much, Joe, for this heartfelt reflection. I’m so glad you mentioned the good work being done by Dr. Mango et. al, and especially at the Institute for the Psychological Sciences in Arlington, Virginia. ]]>